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		<title>By: saiantartika</title>
		<link>http://wishthatiknew.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/leopards-get-info-permissions-flaw/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>saiantartika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks millielily,
you pointed out the thing that i haven&#039;t done before ... fresh install and doing the reinstallation of every apps one by one ... {a nightmare 4 me, I did a fresh install on a laptop and Windows then reinstalling one by one .. 24 hours straight and still 75% .. not willing to experience it on Mac .. just yet}

Why I did the process like that ? Because I didn&#039;t have any problem when upgrading from Panther to Tiger some years ago ... I didn&#039;t realize that Leopard had a new ACL like this .. {I can&#039;t boast to Windows users anymore that my Mac smoothly upgrade and install ..hehehehe}

Anyway, I&#039;ll try to fresh install when I have spare time later ...

Regards,
+++sai sends</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks millielily,<br />
you pointed out the thing that i haven&#8217;t done before &#8230; fresh install and doing the reinstallation of every apps one by one &#8230; {a nightmare 4 me, I did a fresh install on a laptop and Windows then reinstalling one by one .. 24 hours straight and still 75% .. not willing to experience it on Mac .. just yet}</p>
<p>Why I did the process like that ? Because I didn&#8217;t have any problem when upgrading from Panther to Tiger some years ago &#8230; I didn&#8217;t realize that Leopard had a new ACL like this .. {I can&#8217;t boast to Windows users anymore that my Mac smoothly upgrade and install ..hehehehe}</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ll try to fresh install when I have spare time later &#8230;</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
+++sai sends</p>
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		<title>By: millielily</title>
		<link>http://wishthatiknew.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/leopards-get-info-permissions-flaw/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>millielily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi saiantartika,

I can&#039;t tell exactly what you did and why you&#039;re unhappy with your Leopard installation, but from my own experience and from those of many others who have posted on forums, it is always a good idea to do a complete erase and install with any OSX upgrade.

I had the same experience when I upgraded from Panther to Tiger. I did an &quot;upgrade install&quot; and my computer was so slow afterwards that it was practically unusable.  Almost all the new versions Apple release make significant changes to the system and thus many applications compiled on the previous version stop working.  

In the case of Leopard among other improvements they moved away from NetInfo Manager which in turn changed the way the system handles file permissions.  Many users on the forums mentioned above experienced this &quot;finder crashing&quot; issue that you seem to have had as well and they also noticed that the group permissions and assignments were all wrong.

In my experience, using Migration Assistant is really only a good idea if you are moving from one computer to another which has the same OSX version installed.  If you are migrating from one version to another, I would recommend only transferring bookmarks, emails, and some system preferences.  Most of the 3rd party applications will have to be re-dowloaded to ensure there is a package compatible with your version. It&#039;s a pain but will save you a lot of time down the road.

Overall, I&#039;m happy with Leopard but only because I did a fresh install.  I would definitely not recommend running a version that is merely an &quot;upgrade install&quot; from Tiger.  But that said, if you&#039;re happy with Tiger and don&#039;t have the time to fuss with the fresh install, then by all means stick with it.

And to answer your question, Vista definitely sucks, but Leopard is fine if you&#039;re willing to put in the effort and avoid some annoying quirks. I&#039;ll of course post them here if I find some more.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi saiantartika,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell exactly what you did and why you&#8217;re unhappy with your Leopard installation, but from my own experience and from those of many others who have posted on forums, it is always a good idea to do a complete erase and install with any OSX upgrade.</p>
<p>I had the same experience when I upgraded from Panther to Tiger. I did an &#8220;upgrade install&#8221; and my computer was so slow afterwards that it was practically unusable.  Almost all the new versions Apple release make significant changes to the system and thus many applications compiled on the previous version stop working.  </p>
<p>In the case of Leopard among other improvements they moved away from NetInfo Manager which in turn changed the way the system handles file permissions.  Many users on the forums mentioned above experienced this &#8220;finder crashing&#8221; issue that you seem to have had as well and they also noticed that the group permissions and assignments were all wrong.</p>
<p>In my experience, using Migration Assistant is really only a good idea if you are moving from one computer to another which has the same OSX version installed.  If you are migrating from one version to another, I would recommend only transferring bookmarks, emails, and some system preferences.  Most of the 3rd party applications will have to be re-dowloaded to ensure there is a package compatible with your version. It&#8217;s a pain but will save you a lot of time down the road.</p>
<p>Overall, I&#8217;m happy with Leopard but only because I did a fresh install.  I would definitely not recommend running a version that is merely an &#8220;upgrade install&#8221; from Tiger.  But that said, if you&#8217;re happy with Tiger and don&#8217;t have the time to fuss with the fresh install, then by all means stick with it.</p>
<p>And to answer your question, Vista definitely sucks, but Leopard is fine if you&#8217;re willing to put in the effort and avoid some annoying quirks. I&#8217;ll of course post them here if I find some more.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: saiantartika</title>
		<link>http://wishthatiknew.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/leopards-get-info-permissions-flaw/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>saiantartika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 14:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got the Leopard DVD yesterday ... installed on my testbed partition for a test .. after a good impression I  fresh installed my iBook { clone the disk before }.

For the start seems everything works well, until I import user using Migration Assistant.
It started when I tried streamlining the apps installed for the user I imported .. everytime it asked for administrator id and passwd ... WTH ? Popping Get Info I noticed there is a change on permission settings ... change something there gives me a relaunched Finder .. hikz ... 

Frustated, I cloned back to harddisk while searching the net for the same experience .. what I found out is a staggering rant ... 
Your blog detailed the problem reside on Leopard&#039;s GUI design on permission metaphor, so I stick with my trusted Tiger.

So which one is sux, Vista or Leopard ?  both perhaps ? hikz ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got the Leopard DVD yesterday &#8230; installed on my testbed partition for a test .. after a good impression I  fresh installed my iBook { clone the disk before }.</p>
<p>For the start seems everything works well, until I import user using Migration Assistant.<br />
It started when I tried streamlining the apps installed for the user I imported .. everytime it asked for administrator id and passwd &#8230; WTH ? Popping Get Info I noticed there is a change on permission settings &#8230; change something there gives me a relaunched Finder .. hikz &#8230; </p>
<p>Frustated, I cloned back to harddisk while searching the net for the same experience .. what I found out is a staggering rant &#8230;<br />
Your blog detailed the problem reside on Leopard&#8217;s GUI design on permission metaphor, so I stick with my trusted Tiger.</p>
<p>So which one is sux, Vista or Leopard ?  both perhaps ? hikz &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: millielily</title>
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		<dc:creator>millielily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 08:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, exactly jordan314. Thanks for your comment. Your post (linked above as “Permissions Error SNAFU” ) was really invaluable for me when I was trying to solve this problem.

I agree that I like Leopard in general as it really is a *major* upgrade but I’ve certainly noticed a lot more problems with the changeover this time than I did when I went from Panther to Tiger. I think just about all the problems I’ve encountered thus far had to do with the switch away from NetInfo Manager but I highly recommend your blog to other readers who are looking to upgrade to Leopard soon just so they know what to expect. (and in the spirit of this blog avoid making our same mistakes)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, exactly jordan314. Thanks for your comment. Your post (linked above as “Permissions Error SNAFU” ) was really invaluable for me when I was trying to solve this problem.</p>
<p>I agree that I like Leopard in general as it really is a *major* upgrade but I’ve certainly noticed a lot more problems with the changeover this time than I did when I went from Panther to Tiger. I think just about all the problems I’ve encountered thus far had to do with the switch away from NetInfo Manager but I highly recommend your blog to other readers who are looking to upgrade to Leopard soon just so they know what to expect. (and in the spirit of this blog avoid making our same mistakes)</p>
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		<title>By: jordan314</title>
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		<dc:creator>jordan314</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the article, interesting read.
I felt dumb when I hosed my own machine, but you make a good point that Tiger&#039;s GUI was much better and Leopard&#039;s settings seem to have nothing to do with the command line versions, often resulting in disastrous consequences when you play with it.
In general, I like Leopard, but it has been driving me nuts, particularly the install that wiped my data, the fact that ichat doesn&#039;t work with my router anymore, and the general hardware incompatibilities and incorrect drivers that shipped with my machine:
http://problemstosolve.com/category/leopard/
             Thanks,
             Jordan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article, interesting read.<br />
I felt dumb when I hosed my own machine, but you make a good point that Tiger&#8217;s GUI was much better and Leopard&#8217;s settings seem to have nothing to do with the command line versions, often resulting in disastrous consequences when you play with it.<br />
In general, I like Leopard, but it has been driving me nuts, particularly the install that wiped my data, the fact that ichat doesn&#8217;t work with my router anymore, and the general hardware incompatibilities and incorrect drivers that shipped with my machine:<br />
<a href="http://problemstosolve.com/category/leopard/" rel="nofollow">http://problemstosolve.com/category/leopard/</a><br />
             Thanks,<br />
             Jordan</p>
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